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Monic@
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Really?

The sound is so clean to be real... but technology of nowadays.

And the stuff compared to T sets in 98'?

Moreover, not goosebumps aka not T set but fan made imo.
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From what I have quickly skipped through, that set sounds soo good. I have always prefered the “clubby” more techno-ish sound of T, with a very well placed trancer every 4-5 tracks. And it’s rare this find something like this where most of his recorded sets in the 90s are too anthem-ish/innercity

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youtube's predicted tracklist has Phi Phi & Greg D - A Friend Called Phi Phi (666 Virgo Mix) as the first track. I've had a quick listen, and that would be a massive stretch. While its a similar breakbeat chilled trancer it's really nothing like the clubby sound of the liveset.

I agree, this sounds like T in a club, playing what he feels like. Early '98 puts this set between Magik 1 & 2 and at a time when he was still playing 1997 playlist stuffs (beginning BHR and probably still involved at the Basic Beat shop in Rotterdam).

I mention that because the housey IDs from this set sound so much like the stuff to be found in Basic Beat Records and their sub-labels of the time.

The mixing doesn't really lend itself to Tiesto of the period - which was nicely matched - but T's mixing of trance was always stand-out in how he could weave through the tracks, often botching the mix, but always keeping a huge level of energy, usually by bringing tracks in really early or adjusting on the fly. DUring this set some of the tunes are played almost in full length and then mixed.... this isn't quite T's style known from banging sets of '98 and '99.. but it could also fit the mood of the club, if this was recorded near beginning of a long set for example.

My only other thinking is its some Club Stalker resident with a big crush on Tiesto... the usage of a bunch of Magik tunes and a few new trancers to me keeps the set a bit 'undercooked' and could be some warm up DJs offering rather than the man himself.

However, i am about 80 / 20 on the fact that this is a real set of Tiesto. The story of how its popped up, from an old cassette tape adds up. I was aware i think through Cyberciska? that some of these could exist... but that no-one had an idea where they were. Finding an old cassette happens all time when clearing out the attic.. and its obviously before the time when so much care and attention would've been made to ensure that sets weren't unofficially recorded from the mixer etc.
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Charmes - These Sounds.... a fun rework / remake of UK garage hit from 2000, ‘Mark Ryder - Joy’ https://www.discogs.com/Mark-Ruff-Ryder-Joy-Remixes/release/207414

Of course the melody sample is Soft Cell Tainted Love... but just pointing out it’s been done before, 19 years ago Laughing
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https://twitter.com/tiesto/status/1085336602212220929?s=21

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He doesn't confirm anything here, sorry.
He doesn't listen his sets either, never.

Tijs leaves the thing on air and think what you want, as always...
But, when he really confirms something by him, he is clear as water!

I still think is not a set by him, not goosebumps so not old Tiesto.
Go to the sets in 1998 shared and FEEL the difference:

1998-03-13 -- Live @ The DJs, TMF - Bussum, NL [18:57]
1998-09-05 -- Live @ Dance Department [108:52]
1998-11-14 -- Live @ Dance Department [55:08]
1998-12-12 -- Live @ Dance Department [54:46]
1998-12-31 -- Live @ Club Risk - Amsterdam, NL (video) [8:45]
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2 points:
- he prob didnt even listen it and is just responding "nice!" with a joke about 10 year challenge extended to 20 year challenge.
- could be difference between a studio broadcast vs. a live set, recorded early in the night so not so uplifting trance? I'm still 50/50 on it being real.

also 3rd bonus point:
maybe we'll get some new DD sets, based on the new YT channel that Moebius posted.. Dance Department Relived.. i'm waiting for them to post a Tiesto set so we can compare it to what we have from '98.

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need help again

Tiesto - (1999.06.xx) Live @ Fusion Nightclub,Derry
06-26 (27 4am)

https://www.mixcloud.com/peterneeson1/tiesto-live-fusion-nightclub-derry-june-1999/



I feel T 50/50 from this set

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^^ 100% T set Cool

T energy from 1st track, Magik # 4 stuff included and some T fav of those days Very Happy
Plus: flyer of the ngt
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I just finished listening this whole set.

thx a lot.

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Monic@ wrote:
^^ 100% T set Cool

T energy from 1st track, Magik # 4 stuff included and some T fav of those days Very Happy
Plus: flyer of the ngt



It would pass the playlist test, apart from the couple of vocal tracks everything is playlisted....

Yet, that mixing is very dodgy... T was pretty tight back then, so this is a bit unusual for the time I’d say. In T mixing I’d be looking for some adventurous mix style, bringing in tracks early and the overlap of tracks being adjusted on the fly... I don’t hear it here... despite the tracks having his energy, you know his mixing, cos the energy doesn’t drop between tracks from this style. He brings in Xpander really early.... but then doesn’t correct it’s offbeat for example...

The flyer doesn’t mean much, it proves a gig took place.,, but there is no way to link the sound file back to the event - unless during the recording is some MC work etc...

I’m on the fence about this one. 60/40 for me, the ‘98 finding was 50/50 cos the mixing wasn’t energetic, this one is...


01. The Ambush - Everlast
02. Stoneproof - Everything’s Not You (Quivver’s Space Mix)
03. Sasha - Xpander
04. iD*
05. Armin - Communication
06. The Sneaker - Scatterbomb (String Mix)
07. Agnelli & Nelson - Everyday
08. Head Room - Utopia (Merlyn & Chuck Mellow Remix)
09. Parker & Clind - Generator (Trance Club Mix)
10. Airscape - L’Esperanza (Svenson Goes To Loveparade Mix)
11. Stray Dog - Mirror (Signum Remix)
12. Lange - I Believe (DJ Tandu Remix)
13. The Olmec Heads - Spiritualized (Astral Mix)
14. Vimana - We Came
15. Planet Perfecto ft. Grace - Not Over Yet ‘99 (Matt Darey Remix)


* the vocals are from D’acido Domingo - shadows from 1997, used in a few hardcore and techno remakes since then, we’d need the 99 trance version, the beat sounds super familiar though....
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Despite the fact we love find old sets, can be old sets collection by others and saying now is by T.

When I listened this set, I was thinking could be even by Ferry... The stuff was very common.
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XPander, Olmec Heads, Not Over Yet, and the ID, are the only new non-playlisted tracks from 1999 archive, so it’s still quite possibly real... I was waiting to see that a track from the playlist was in a different mix/remix... but they are all what he played at the time. It could be a fan mix or a recreation.

Btw I listened / track listed during breakfast... only now do I see that the Mixcloud tracklist was already complete lol #fail still it was fun reviewing the tunes from 99 archive to match them.
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27-01-01
Passion @ Emporium - Coalville, England

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIsQ2DO3Y5U

short clip

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MOEBiUS wrote:
27-01-01
Passion @ Emporium - Coalville, England

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIsQ2DO3Y5U

short clip


Now I can confirm this one is real, because I was there Laughing Laughing
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